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Old January 12th, 2001, 10:23 PM   #1
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National DOMESTIC VIOLENCE hotline # - 1-800-799-SAFE -
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Old July 16th, 2001, 02:41 PM   #2
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My sister has been in an abusive relationship for several years. She has left and gone back more times than I can count. They've gone through family counseling, which ended in HER going to anger management, and being put on medication. This is an important article for the woman who does not feel she can leave a situation. It discusses what really does, and what does not work, in treating the urge to abuse your loved ones.

<center><font size=4>Understanding and Treating Batterers</center>
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One of the first questions asked when discussing domestic violence is "Why doesn't she leave?" This question points blame at the victim and doesn't hold the batterer in any way accountable for the abuse inflicted on his intimate partners.

Leaving doesn't stop the violence. In fact, battering is a serial crime. We commonly see batterers replace thier victims. After a batterer tires of one victim he starts wooing his next.

So how can we hold the perpetrator accountable? This first step is for us to recognize that the only way violence will stop in a household is when the abuser, not the victim decides it will stop.

So, what do we do to hold the batterer accountable while keeping the victims safe? Iowa law requires that the primary physical aggressor be arrested when law enforcement believes domestic violence has occurred. After an arrest occurs the batterer is held at least overnight and if convicted of domestic assault is required to do a minimum of two days in jail and attend a batterer's education program....

Why not therapy? Batterers love nothing more than talking about themselves and meeting their own needs. A batterer who attends therapy merely becomes a well-adjusted batterer. One who still holds the belief that he is entitled to control what is his.

Why not anger management? Anger management should be ordered in cases of male violence on other males. It is appropriate after an angry flare up in a bar; it is not appropriate after a long campaign of power and control. Men do not hit their wives out of anger; they hit them because they believe they have a right to whenever she has defied their control.

Why not drug and alcohol treatment? Batterers with drug and alcohol problems should receive drug treatment. However, it should be in addition to batterer's education. Men who batter do so because they strongly believe in their right to control their partner. This belief does not go away with sobriety.

Why not couples counseling? It is dangerous for the woman to be honest in these sessions; it is unethical for the counselor and it implies that the couple has a bad relationship and that it is their problem. It does nothing to hold the batterer accountable for his behavior and reinforces the victims belief that somehow it's her fault and she should be the one helping him.

Why batterer's education? It is the only program with professionals familiar enough with battering attitudes, manipulations and behaviors to hold the batterer accountable for his behavior and to begin to address the belief system that is at the root of his behavior. Battering programs communicate with victims on a regular basis to make sure the batterer is telling the truth and not manipulating the counselor.

<font size=2>Based on comments made by Lundy Bancroft at the ISBA Domestic Abuse Symposium.<font size=3>

****Taken from "Shelter Spotlight" the Domestic/Sexual Assault Outreach Center****


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Old July 31st, 2001, 01:06 PM   #3
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(((WahmWOW)))

You have some great advice here! I was in a shelter, not because of a husband, lover, or partner, but because of my family.

I had been emotionally and physically abused by them and at 20 I was in an abuse shelter. I'd often thought that women who returned to their victims were almost asking for it, but I had to eat crow.

While living at the shelter, I also worked there. I had some insight as to what abusers do, how they work, and how they seclude victims away and make it that much more difficult to ask for help.

Knowing all that, I still went back! My mother no longer hurt me physically, but she knew the words that would twist my gut, make me cry, and hurt me to the best of her ability.

I still stayed. She had me convinced I'd never make it without her, that I was dumb, and I would never accomplish anything worthwile. She even laughed at me when I went to school the first time. (I dropped out.)

The second time she told me I wasn't ready...but then she bragged to her friends at how well I was doing. She could never tell me until recently.

I've set boundries with her, but I move slowly. I close my door and lock it; she no longer tries to just walk in my room. I no longer have to lock it because now she knocks.

I'm not just pointing fingers, as a youngester, I was very abusive to my brothers. What's worse than that, one I picked on was defenseless. He was handicapped. I'm not proud of what I've done and I've apologized to everybody but him, but then, I am unable to locate him.

With all that being said, I still live with my mother. I want out, but financially, I can't do it now. I am a couple of years away from graduating from college. Not only that, but I literally made travel plans for every break I will have this school year. I plan on looking for internships on the East, West, and other parts of the Midwest.

She wasn't happy, my Mother, but I'm not changing my plans. She needs to get used to me being gone. I make plans to go out with friends -- without her. I even go out alone now.

If you're in a situation, please don't do what I did. I love her, but as a mother? I can't answer that because I don't know. When I needed a mother she wasn't there...my parents blackmailed each other, so they were each safe. The children, us, were the pawns.

Sometimes I wish I wasn't so thick headed. I qualify for an aid, but the place where I live is equipped for a wheelchair, something that I need to take into consideration. It will be a year or longer before my name comes up...and if I graduate in two years, what then? Move again? I don't know, but I choose not to dwell on it.

Again, WahmWOW, great advice. I'm glad you put that in.

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Old January 25th, 2003, 04:46 AM   #4
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I too was in an abusive relationship.....but I have been in more than one, when actually getting into the second actually thought that it had to be me and my fault as i could not be that unlucky!
Well.....I have learnt alot and grown a little wiser and have been on my own with my children for sometime now and know that it was not me!
The background of these men were very similar....therefore I was somehow "attracted" to these "types".
I have won by breaking the cycle and I am constantly letting my children know that violence in any form is totally unacceptable!
If there are any other "winners" out there, you truly do deserve a great pat on the back for a brilliant job well done as you have managed to break your cycle as well by removing yourself from the situation!
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Old January 27th, 2003, 01:31 PM   #5
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xxenaau, you truely do deserve a pat on the back, not only for ending your own violent relationships/habits but for protecting your children and others from this. Teaching a child that violence against someone else OR themselves promotes the elimination of such violence. I just hope that their father is not violent against them or abuses other women around them. Good for you for recognizing that "attraction" to that type. A lot of women just think they deserve it and go on to other violent relationships. You went to the root and plucked it (so to speak!) WTG!
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Old July 7th, 2004, 09:21 PM   #7
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Look <a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/index.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">here</a> for information on:

<p><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/battering.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">Why Does Domestic Violence Happen?</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/leave.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">Why Do Women Stay? Why Don't They Leave?</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/abuse.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">The Types of Abuse</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/cycle.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">The Cycle of Abuse</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/effects.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">The Effects of Abuse</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/what-to-do.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">What to Do if You are in an Abusive Relationship</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/help.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">Getting Help</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/others.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">How Friends and Families Can Help</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/abuser.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">If You Are Abusive</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/work.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">Domestic Violence in the Workplace</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/pros.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">How Professionals Can Respond</a><br><a href="http://www.womensweb.ca/violence/dv/lesbian.php" style="color: red; text-decoration: underline">Abuse in Lesbian Relationships</a></p>
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<table style="border: solid 2px black; border-collapse: collaspe; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"><tr><th colspan="2" style="border-bottom: 1px solid black" align="center">Resources</th></tr><tr valign="top"><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black">National Domestic Violence Hotline</td><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black" align="right">1-800-799-7233 or<br>1-800-787-3224 (TDD)</td><tr><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black">National Coalition Against Domestic Violence</td><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black" align="right">1-303-839-1852</td></tr><tr><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black">Resource Center on Domestic Violence, Child Protection and Custody</td><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black" align="right">1-800-527-3223</td></tr><tr><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black">Health Resource Center on Domestic Violence</td><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black" align="right">1-888-792-2873</td></tr><tr><td>The Battered Women's Justice Project</td><td align="right">1-800-903-0111</td></tr></table>
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It takes strenght and courage to leave domestic abuse. So I wish anyone going though it Strenght, Courage, and Knowledge. Knowledge to know they aren't alone. Knowledge to know that any step in the direction on getting out of the abusive situation is the Right Step.
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I, too, escaped an abusive husband, but it took a long time to recover from it. I still have moments of doubt with Greg, but he understands and helps me.

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Old November 29th, 2005, 03:47 PM   #11
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Indiana's Shame Teardrops for Katelynn

My little one is being abused by a father and his new wife . The state has overlooked and downright ignores the abuse. THis is in the face of overwhelming evidence that was never admitted in a court despite many to have it reviewed. THere were doctors reports, counselors, child advocates and even photographs of her being abused. THe CPS refused to even act on it even when her doctors and other professionals were calling on behalf of her safety. I am know threatened with jail for trying to protect her even in the face of the fact there are and have never been to my knowledge allegations of any kind of abuse against me .
She was turned over to her abusive father and his wife . Her brother and I have not been allowed to see her or even speak to her in many months. I have lost my savings, my house ,and jobs trying to pay attorney and court costs trying to protect her and finally I face the real possibility of losing my freedom thus leaving her without anyone to fight this unfair system , she and her brother are trapped in, on there behalf. So, I, no we need help. I still believe there are people out there who stand up for what is right and I hope I will find you . I do this for the love of Katelynn


TEARDROPS FOR KATELYNN:
""Still,
if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed,
if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly,
you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.
There may even be a worse case.
You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory,
because it is better to perish than live as slaves."
~Winston Churchill

"Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties,
and so bear ourselves that if we as a people last for a thousand years, people will still say,

This was their finest hour!"

Indiana's Shame the Abuse OF Katelynn:
Partial Chronology
Note : this DOES NOT include 500+ additional pages of evidence an attorney gave me

1996:
* I separate from abuser after I am assaulted by abuser.

* Little daughter returned by abuser hurt sees family doctor.

* Abuser assaults me and kids while trying to abducted little daughter.

* Police statements taken.

* Arrest warranted issued for abuser and protection order put in place. Other
court Excludes little daughter from protection order.

* Abuser arrested outstanding bench warrant found in next county abuser
extradited.

* Minister of abusers church bails him out.

* I file for divorce and temporary custody granted to me and restraining order
placed Against abuser little daughter excluded from restraining order.

* I request Guardian Ad Litem for little daughter.

* Ad litem submits report recommends abuser visits every weekend. Judge grants
1996:

* Temporary Order issued

1998:

* Letter from Domestic violence counselor abuser refuses contact via phone or in
Person. Court does nothing.

1999:

* Little daughter crying of owie in butt from girlfriends son.

* Little daughter seen by family physician, refers to sexual abuse hospital.

* Little daughter is seen at sexual abuse hospital.

* Little daughter returned crying abuser's girlfriend slapped in face, spanked
repeatedly for pottying in pants and is jerked out of bed.
Little daughter seeing child psychologist

* Little daughter returned crying is hurt when abuser and girlfriend involve
little daughter in domestic violence fight. Abuser and girlfriend separate.

2001:

* Little daughter returned home sick, it is winter little daughter has no
outerwear abuser and parents kept. Abuser?s parents refusing to return.

* Little daughter crying abuser takes little daughter to abuser?s parents house
calls mother dirty names, new girlfriend plays spanking game with little daughter ,
new girlfriend accuses brother of spying.

* Little daughter crying Abuser's new girlfriend threatens little daughter not
to go near mother, drags little daughter is dragged by shoulder blade across 5
people

* Sitting in chairs, forced to pray on knees for being bad, threatened mother if
refusal and beatings.

* Little daughter crying returned by abuser , abuser and girlfriend threatens to
beat her for being bad since they can't force her to pray.

* Court threatens to give little daughter to abuser if little daughter doesn't?t
go on visits

* Little daughter threatened to be struck repeatedly by abuser if she doesn't?t
tell Abuser what little daughter told mother.
* I speaks to child protection services about concerns. child protection
services speak Children. Says he can't help.

* Abuser remarries at wedding little daughter is burned with curling iron on
forearm. burn is blistering, seeping fluid and about an inch and 1/2 long.
And her underwear is removed.

*Abuser returns little daughter with bruising on upper arm and forearm brother
sees

* I speak to town police they refuse to get involved. Town police send me to adjoining town.

* Police statements taken and child protective services open investigation.

* Within week after child protection service talks to abuser on phone only

* investigation dropped by child protection services.


* Child protection worker visits my home.

* Family doctor makes report to child protection agency against abuser after
doctor Visit regarding abuser.

* Legal services mails letter stating no funds to help.

* Little daughter agitated and crying . There is red mark from kneecap to ankle.
Little daughter talks about wife rubbing her butt ?feels like sawing in half?
booby traps, her book of wrongs, taken to another county where wife beats her,
chemicals sprayed in her eyes and more.

* I report again to child protection services. Little daughter tells worker
herself.

* Child protection services refuses to help, says they can't get involved since it civil matter.

* I go to domestic violence shelter. Advocate advises child psychologist,
and keep journal.

* Little daughter starts therapy with domestic violence recommended.

* Little daughter returned crying brother no longer welcome for tell child
protection Service worker about abuse.

2002:

*Legal services mails letter stating no funds to help.

* Little daughter agitated and crying . There is red mark from kneecap to
ankle. Little daughter talks about wife rubbing her butt feels like sawing in half?
booby traps, her book of wrongs, taken to another county where wife

beats her, chemicals sprayed in her eyes and more.

* I report again to child protection services. Little daughter tells
worker herself. Child protection services refuses to help.

*I go to domestic violence shelter. Advocate advises child psychologist,
and keep journal.


* Little daughter starts therapy with child psychologist referred by domestic violence safe house recommends.

* Little daughter returned crying brother no longer welcome for tell child protection
Service worker about abuse.

* Little daughter returned crying says she is so hungry.

* After abuser refuses to bring little daughter home I speak to town
police. Town police refuse to get involved.

* Little daughter suicidal over book of wrongs wants to die. Little
daughter says she cannot fix all her wrongs little daughter is tired.

* Abuser's wife tries to run me and children off road. I flee with
children to safe house.

* Court places Protection order against abuser's wife on behalf of me and
little daughter. Ad litem compels visit on contingency abuser promises to keep
wife not around little daughter. This is not complied with. ad litem doesn't believe.

*Little daughter's Psychologist goes to child Protection Services with me to
demand casa for little daughter since part of abuse happened in nearby county.

*Child Protection Agency refuses casa worker for little daughter and
refuses to investigate.

* Little daughter referred to new woman counselor.

* New counselor files initial assessment . Summary notes little daughter
suicidal , intensive fear of abuser and adjustment disorder stemming from abuse.
Counselor places little daughter on suicide watch while in safe house.

* While in safe house ad litem compels me to turn little daughter over to abuser.

* Abuser promptly forces little daughter to divulge location of safe house,
threatens little daughter with violence, call mother names to little
daughter, picks fingernail polish off little daughters fingers with
abusers fingernails, abuser tells little daughter again child protection agency on his
side.

* Safe house counselor promptly issues safe phone to me they are
concerned for our safety.

* Safe house child advocate files statement of little daughter telling
advocate of abuse

Indiana's Shame A Brother's Cries for Katelynn:
What follows is a little of what her brother can talk about. Brother says other is to painful to talk about know and the the only other eyewitness to her abuse cries to save his baby sister:

Dear Hero's,
I witnessed my mother face overwhelming odds in gaining justice for my sister.
Most of the law and legal officials in my area refuse to help. You see my sister
is being abused by her father and his new wife. In this area everyone has played
hush-hush, and my sister continue for a while. The court problem arose, when mom
attempted to press charges against him. even with my sister told the CPS and
police what happened nothing happened. You see my sister came back to our house
with 2 bruises about the size of a quarter bruises on her arm, and she said that
her step mommy got mad and picked her up off her feet. I used to think of this
step father as a real father was there. I heard my precious little angel yell
DADDY! He ran in there, I thought that the
father did something to help his daughter. Instead he decided to comfort his
wife. As the abuse went on My sister was told by her grandmother that "If you
don't shut up i'll whip you". Her father even threatened her life. From this her
father decided to file for custody of my sister. After a one sided court battle,
in which the GAL wrote bias reports. On of the courts arguments to give her father Custody was
that i reported the abuse to CPS, and the police. You see I saw this court
attempt and succeed to sacrifice my sister because appearances are deceiving.
Just because you look good doesn't mean you are good. Currently the only thing that can be held against me is my age.While i am currently job hunting and do have a part time job, that won't
enough. The Week that my mother pressed charges that was glossed over. The court also might try to say no because of my race. In the court papers there was a ban put on me seeing my sister while she was forced into foster care. Apparently having the same mom doesn't count.
Also what follows is some of what katelynn's brother saw: My moms marriage to my baby sister father was very rocky. One of the reasons they broke up was because of My older brother. He was very hard on my brother. During the marriage her father was thrown out of the house at least twice
because of what happened to my brother. Her father would often punish my brother
to hard. . Once to punish my brother her father took him to the backyard of our
house and shot his ninja turtles with a bee-bee gun. I watched out the window of
our bedroom. The second to last time her father was thrown out my mother would
only let him come back until he went to counseling with my brother. One visit I
went there and played Mario brothers on the nintendo there. The last time her
father was thrown out was after dinner. On a different night after I ate dinner
I then went to bed in my bunk bed. Yet I couldn't fall asleep. I heard Mom and
her father arguing. My mom said "get your hands off me", "don't throw coffee on
me", "and get out". Around this time they argued a lot so all I did was
listened. I woke up the next morning and he was gone I was shocked, yet I
shouldn't have been. While they were separated this time I went over to see her
father at his mom?s house. At this time I was around 10 or 11 years old, and her
father had been like a father to me. Around this time we moved to a new house
and it had to be fumigated. When this happens we didn't go back into the house
for the rest of the day. My mom for some reason asked if we could stay the night
with her father. Being the true gentleman he was e said no, go live in your car
for all I care. Then one day her father came over and attacked my mom and my
family and tried to take my sister. It started by him coming over. When that
happened my mom told me to go up stairs, yet natured called and i wanted to know
what was going so I watched from the bathroom which wasn't far from the living
room so I listened to them argue some more. The basic argument was that her
father wanted to take my sister from my family and never return. One moment I
looked out and the next moment I look out and her father was bending my moms arm
back while my relatively new born sister was in her other arm. I don't know what
came over me but I went over and tried to restrain him. If I wasn't around ten
at the time I would have succeeded. Yet I didn't her father let go of my moms
arm and bumped his elbow to my face. With this time my mom yelled for my 17 year
old brother. At that time he ran down the stairs but her father was already
waiting for him and clocked him good. While he lay on the ground stunned her
father tried to hit him again. Much to his dismay my mom jumped him to prevent
him from hitting my brother. He stopped and some how ended up near the door
where my older sister came out of nowhere with a broom, and she got him then.
Her father than took the broom away and broke than stormed out. At the time I
watched stunned I couldn't believe what had just happened. I found out later
from reading the papers her father went from there straight to the local police
and told that he came over and attacked my family and that we wouldn't give up
my sister. I went with my sister to her dad. Later after my mom called the
police, first the local, no one came, then she called the county once more no
one came, than she called the state and then the local police came up. They took
a statement from my mom. There was talk of pressing child abuse charges yet my
mom said she didn't want to have my older brother and sister, and myself testify
in court. So she filed charges for attacking her. Then my sister?s father gets
anger management and 2 years non reporting probation. Her father than later
began dating a woman. At first I didn't care. My sister always scratched her
head, so my mom went to the hospital to see what was going on. The doctor told
her that my sister

Indiana's Shame A Brother's's Teardrops For Katelynn:
I am katelynn's brother. katelynn was old enough to talk. Everything revolves around when her father is seeing a woman. It just exploded than. It started with the spanking game. and went on to her coming home with a black eye. They than forgot to feed or feed very much food her on a regular basis. The only reason I know about some of this is because I was there on some of it. I was allowed until my 17th birthday when mom went to the police the first time. I haven't been to see her father sense then ironically it was in toward the end of 2001 and at the beginning of 2002. And as you can see it only got better from their. It evolved to being chased by anyone and everyone and most legal officials and psychologist trying to help her father take her. The thing is looks are deceiving. Just because you look homey doesn't't mean you are. My mom worked hard to support my family and I will always be proud of her for that. Yet I never thought it would be used against her. The thing that strikes me the most is the GAL. In all his reports he writes about everyone but kati's dad and his wife being responsible for her getting hurt while in their care. I never knew it was katelynn's responsibility for her father's wife hurting her. This is in one of the last reports by the GAL. . Pictures and doctors reports tend to argue otherwise on that. Oh!, and there is the excuse that her dad's wife is too small to hurt anyone. She is quite petit, yet unlike katelynn she is fully grown and has her full strength. Naturally I hold Katelynn's dad and his wife in low regard. I don't want to overwhelm you, but this has custody battle has grown to consume this part of my life. I won't stop until katelynn is free! . These people still have katelynn and last time they found out someone was trying to get katelynn away from her father they placed her in foster care for about two months. And they have shown a pension for going after katelynn, and while I want her safe I won't risk her safety at all! The most ironic part is when my mom was married to katelynn's's father, him and I were always together. I was about 5 or 6, and he was the father figure I never had than. And now I am one of the people he despises most. The reason mom divorced him was because he was abusive to my older brother. My mom divorced him and the first custody battle started. And we eventually reached this point.

Petition that demands Justice for katelynn
http://www.gopetition.com/online/5918.html

www.courageouskids.net

Breaking The Silence
PBS airs a shocking documentary that reveals a dark secret of our nation?s family courts ? that some domestic abusers also physically and sexually abuse their children, and judges are awarding them custody! Please join Stop Family Violence in thanking PBS for bringing this important issue to light.
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Old December 1st, 2005, 03:23 PM   #13
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YOu are absolutley right!

I in no way implied that I hadn't. That was never a prerequisiste for this site. I will get on my knees and beg for her! I will go to the ends of the earth for her and I think that is a very worthy thing in this life to do is save a child. It must be obvious just by there being those sites that the ones who know the ytruth and want desparately to help are not in a position to help and the others would very much like for us not to be heard.
ThaT is why PBS had a documentary called "Breaking the Silence"
PBS will aired a shocking documentary that reveals a dark secret of our nation?s family courts ? that some domestic abusers also physically and sexually abuse their children, and judges are awarding them custody! Please join Stop Family Violence in thanking PBS for bringing this important issue to light.
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That I will continue to do and more because there is nothing more important in this world than the remotest possivbiblity that I can spare this child one more second of a violent and abusive childhood. You know hear so much about all these womens groups now sister stand up with me and demand justice with all the rest of us who's silence is paid for by the abuse of our children. We need help so that this isn't silent anymore. Are we not part of the Women worldwide? Demand that we be heard to! That justice prevails for us to ! Or are you just more of the silence!
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Old December 1st, 2005, 03:39 PM   #14
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And this is nothing in comparasion of what some of the other mothers have done.
www.hope4kidz.org
www.courageouskids.net
You're not alone
Stop Domestic/ Child Abuse
Bikers Against Child Abuse (BACA)
abusenomore@groups.msn.
http://home.earthlink.net/~marshcarr
United Visions Of A Peaceful Journey
Proud Volunteer Abuse Advocate!
The Battered Mother's Custody Conference
founder of Kourts for Kidsndy Titleman, protective mother

These are just a handfull of other women who are fightinting for their children and even others and if you had googled that yOu would know that. They are even more adamant I only ask to post on this group. There are so many of us why aren't you raising the rooftops for us? I believed there was good people and I thought me and little katelynn's brother could find them. Why aren't you checking this to if it's true and than help us stop this. We are part of this world to our children do not need to live in terror. We need help now and we need it to begin now! So our children do have to live like this. Justice is all we ask no more no less justice for the children and no one else just justice for the children!
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Old December 1st, 2005, 03:44 PM   #15
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Image if the whole system failed and than ask yourself "What would you do " would seem like you had fallen down the rabbit whole? Than it would be fair to judge me. Oh one other thing I have not been busy enough because tiny little katelynn is not free and thats all it's about!
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